tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post8844938574128501789..comments2024-01-16T08:38:37.343-08:00Comments on worldservice: Bilombe ya minduleWrldServhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11086024409769016464noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-23914632003036185802010-01-01T09:16:20.586-08:002010-01-01T09:16:20.586-08:00I know that it is several months late. My French i...I know that it is several months late. My French is not the best, so I may need some help with kiku's contribution :)Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04947482897091656550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-65894799435435731912009-10-25T05:38:09.515-07:002009-10-25T05:38:09.515-07:00Hard to believe that the "Bilombe ya mindule&...Hard to believe that the "Bilombe ya mindule" group with "OK Jazz horns" is the same as the African Fiesta style band on Side A. They sound so different. But I agree, the mentioning at 3'08 of the name Manta Lokoka leaves no other conclusion than that it's Orch. Manta on both sides. Which means no Franco. The guitarist must be Denis "La Cloche" Loubassou who played with Manta Lokoka since their formation in 1967.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-20058440349465952132009-10-24T07:57:05.554-07:002009-10-24T07:57:05.554-07:00@kiku: Thank you for this very helpful contributio...@kiku: Thank you for this very helpful contribution. And of course a very big thank you too to Messager!<br /> <br />Especially the mentioning after 3:08 minutes of the name of Manta Lokoka seems decisive. <br />Studying songs by Edo, I don't hear any similarity with the singer of "Bilombe Ya Mindule". On the other hand, the more I listen to the song "Tokei Kotala Bango", the more I am convinced that this must be the same singer, - who must be Obami Maurice. He, by the way, composed the track "Nalingi Yo", but I don't think he is singing the lead vocal in that song.<br /><br />Should anyone need a translation of Kiku's comment, please let me know.WrldServhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11086024409769016464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-83166435383482677572009-10-23T13:40:20.053-07:002009-10-23T13:40:20.053-07:00I exchanged (in french) several emails with Messag...I exchanged (in french) several emails with Messager, who runs MbokaMosika website :<br /><br />Q/ Comment traduiriez-vous "Bilombe Ya Mindule"?<br />Et selon vous, est-ce une chanson de l'OK Jazz?<br /><br />A/ Après plusieurs auditions il n'y a aucun doute, la chanson Bilombe ya mindule qui veut dire les "connaisseurs de la chanson" ou les "célébrités de la chanson" est chantée par un groupe de Brazzaville. Le lingala chanté dans cette chanson a un accent de Brazzaville. Il doit y avoir une erreur de transcription. cette chanson ne comporte aucune marque de l'OK Jazz ni de Franco. Il n' y aucune voix d'un seul musicien de l'OK-Jazz. La confusion proviendrait de l'édition Epanza makita qui appartenait à l'OK-Jazz et qui éditait aussi les chansons des orchestres de Brazzaville.<br /><br />Q/ Vous n'avez pas la moindre idée de l'orchestre qui interprète cette chanson? (je reproduis également le commentaire de Peter au sujet d'Edo)<br /><br />A/ Cet argument ne tient pas debout. Franco ne s'est jamais établi au Congo. Il s'y rendait souvent. D'ailleurs Kinshasa et Brazzaville sont en fait une même ville. Certains travaillaient ou étudiaient à Léo tout en habitant Brazzaville.<br />Cette chanson n'est en rien de l'OK-Jazz. Je vais vérifier si réellenemnt la voix est de Edo Ganga. Ce denier a chanté dans l'OK-Jazz en étant à Kin, parfois ils se rendaient à Brazza pour jouer. Mais l'orchestration n'est pas de l'OK-Jazz.<br /><br />(plus tard)<br /><br />A/ Je viens de trouver la solution à la question. Après vérification l'orchestre qui interprète la chanson Bilombe ya Mindule s'appelle MANTA LOKOKA. Si vous auditionnez bien la chanson, à la 3'08, le nom de l'orchestre Manta Lokoka est bien cité. Ensuite parmi les noms des musiciens de deux rives, on cite vers la 4'25 PENKI (Paul Gombet) qui n'est autre que le saxophoniste et fondateur de l'orchestre Manta Lokoka. C'est la première fois que ce nom est cité parmi les grands de la musique de deux rives. Celui qui chante c'est Obami Maurice, décédé vers 1969 après avoir composé "Manta Lokoka" meilleure chanson de l'année 1969.kikunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-65081537957452496452009-10-23T13:23:15.437-07:002009-10-23T13:23:15.437-07:00@Peter: This could explain the lyrics and confirm ...@Peter: This could explain the lyrics and confirm our Congolese friend's explanation about these, as Edo was from Brazzaville.<br />I'll have to dig a bit in my Bantous collection to look for a comparison. <br />Aboubacar has posted the track on YouTube (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsnj7tq_kNw" rel="nofollow">here</a>). He also thinks it's Franco. And, as I wrote, I too initially had no doubt it was Franco. But the doubt arose from our Congolese friend's explanation.<br /><br />Anyway, I am sure you'll agree it is a remarkable track.<br /><br />@Wanduni: As you can see, Aboubacar and I don't always agree about everything. <br />But I wouldn't like to compare this song with Nico's "Bilombe Ya Africa", because it seems to me Rochereau is singing about the the members of African Jazz (i.e. also about himself)...WrldServhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11086024409769016464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-75218357982183484952009-10-22T13:09:09.376-07:002009-10-22T13:09:09.376-07:00Re "Bilombe ya mindule" - there's no...Re "Bilombe ya mindule" - there's no doubt in my mind that the band is OK Jazz. And that Franco played guitar on this track, his own composition. <br /><br />Also, I don't think the song was recorded in the late 1960s but probably in 1966. That year Franco spent some time in Congo-Brazzaville where he recruited Youlou and also invited his old friend Edo Ganga to rejoin the band. Anyway, I believe the singer of "Bilombe ya mindule" is no other than Edo Ganga. <br /><br />Some of Edo's compositions with OK Jazz from this period have been released on the Sonodisc CD " Franco, Vicky, Edo & L'OK Jazz, 1966/67" (CD 36553). <br /><br />Nimy Nzonga writes that early 1967 Edo joined Franco, Vicky and Verckys on a recording trip to Brussels and, after their return from Europe, Edo went back to Orch. Bantous in Brazzaville (Dictionnaire des Immortels, p 117).Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-22933089417225389432009-10-21T10:44:32.083-07:002009-10-21T10:44:32.083-07:00"Elombe" is not a Lingala word I'd n..."Elombe" is not a Lingala word I'd normally look up. I take it to mean "hero". After reading the explanation given in this post, I couldn't resist looking it up. Ashem Tem KAWATA and Adolphe DZOKANGA, Africa's top Lingala lexicographers concur on the basic meaning of "hero". But DZOKANGA gives a nuance which would be more pertinent here by rendering "elombe" as "vedette" (star) too. Indeed, "Bilombe Ya Mindule" would be appropriately translated as "POP STARS" in the context of the current post. Malcom Guthrie, the famous missionary scholar translates "elombe" as "champion" or "giant". A translation I'd love to get my hands on is the one by Van EVERBORECK in his respected dictionary "Maloba Ma Lokota". That's one item I'd love to have on my shelf, but I might have to search for it in second-hand shops in Brussels or Kinshasa. Having said all that, I'm on no account disputing the translation given in the post since I'm not a native speaker of Lingala. <br />"Bilombe Ya Mindule" echoes Orchestre Bella Bella's "Place Aux Vedette" and, to a lesser extent, Dr Nico's "Bilombe Ya Afrika", but I wouldn't say that latter too loudly since it features TLR and I'm aware AboubacarSiddikh is not exactly the greatest fan of the man nicknamed Rochereau.Wandunihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03297177056270967598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7791963494354887351.post-50549009080041380712009-10-20T14:49:17.302-07:002009-10-20T14:49:17.302-07:00Love the detective work so interesting and illumin...Love the detective work so interesting and illuminating too . Thanks for this upload hopefully somebody will recognize the singer .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com